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([personal profile] ellen_datlow Apr. 6th, 2008 09:54 pm)
Friday night I watched Gypsy with Natalie Wood, Rosalind Russell, and Karl Malden. It's close enough to the show (both the production with Bernadette Peters and Patti Lupone) to be eerie but different in a few weird ways. The child who plays Baby June in the movie never gets any older than she is at the beginning, so when she runs away one thinks of a (very) underage kid running away. She doesn't run away with Tulsa but someone else--Tulsa is the young man who dances for Louise and since he's the one who obviously has talent and gumption for him not to be the one who runs away with June doesn't quite work. Louise, who starts as a child actress then becomes Natalie Wood is right...but the contrast with the almost adult Louise and the still child-like June creates in the viewer a disturbing cognitive dissonance.

In any case Russell was excellent but not nearly as loony as we need the character to be today. And the ending is much softer than in either live performance. Rick Bowes says it's the way the interpretation of the play has changed over the years. It used to be a somewhat realistic view of vaudeville and how show business was pretty brutal. It's not about the relationship between Rose and her daughters.

Also watched Enchanted Friday and I loved it!! Call it a guilty pleasure or call me daft but I found it utterly charming. And Amy Adams is great. The songs were much better in context than on the stage performed at the Academy Awards.

Saturday night I watched Ong Bak: The Thai Warrior about the stolen head of Buddha from a village and the young man who swears to bring it back or die trying. Pretty schematic in plot but it had some nice fight scenes.

Today I went to see Vantage Point the multi-point of view thriller with Dennis Quaid, Forrest Whittaker, William Hurt, Sigourney Weaver (in a very minor role), and some gorgeous hunks. It was terrific till about three quarters of the way through when it just kind of fell apart and became unbelievable and then worse-- at the end-- soppy. But it had one of the best car chases I've ever seen--better than those in Bourne. Glad I saw it as I'd wanted to since I saw the trailers.

From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_stranger_here/


I loved Enchanted too. I was dubious going in because I feared it would be a mushy romance about magical people having to get sadly disillusioned by the ordinary world, which is nothing new. The point when I began to love it came early on, when she leans out of the window and trills out a song... and all the rats and whatnot come running! What a treat. Adams made it work; she was terrific.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


Yes, I loved that too--it was pretty hilarious....I think I even laughed out loud a few time during the movie--which is so not me!

From: [identity profile] mtrimm1.livejournal.com


My wife and I rented 'Enchanted' for the kids and watched it with them. About a quarter of the way through, my wife said, "This is a ball!"

Don't think it's a guilty pleasure at all -- the movie worked for kids and adults, and never let the audience down once. Great piece of work.

From: [identity profile] voidmonster.livejournal.com


Something about the preview (I seem to recall that I saw it attached to something wildly inappropriate) made Enchanted look like nails on a chalkboard. I think it was kind of Shrekish (the preview), and I despised Shrek. But now lots of people whose opinions I respect and often agree with are liking it, so... I may have to give it a whirl.

I've not seen Vantage Point, but my benchmark for car chases is To Live and Die in LA. It's made all the more nail-biting by having driven large swathes of the territory it covers, so when they get on the highway going the wrong way -- man -- It was very easy to imagine it actually happening. LA is full of crazy.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I never saw trailers for Enchanted but if they showed Disneyfied cartoon critters (which is how the movie begins) that would have turned me right off!

I saw To Live and Die in LA and all I remember about it was how bleak it was.

From: [identity profile] voidmonster.livejournal.com


I recall the Enchanted trailer showing the cartoon critters and then doing the extraordinarily overdone needle-dragged over the record sound effect and a switch over to Big City Life and snarky sass and oh, is that bile rising in my throat? Why yes it is. I get the feeling that was a pretty wildly inaccurate impression of the movie.

To Live and Die in LA was, in fact, a giant pile of bleak with a healthy drizzle of bleak sauce and a nihilistic cherry on top (and really strange to watch on an airplane). I didn't see it when it was new -- in fact, I only watched it a few months ago.

Handily, much of the scene is up on (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RtgWDtGjPRU) YouTube. It's not quite as good as I remembered, but I think that's because it works better in the context of the movie, and the scene represents just an impressive disintegration of the characters being chased.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I don't think I saw To Live and Die in LA when it first came out either. I think I must have seen it on my video (when I still used one). I do remember the ending really shocking me with its nihilism. It's one of those movies that I'd have to be in a really good mood in order to watch it again.

From: [identity profile] voidmonster.livejournal.com


Amusingly, I knew it mostly because of its soundtrack, which is neat in a cheesy '80s kind of way.

The thing that was really impressive about the ending for me was -- due to the way I watched it, in bits and pieces -- there's the big climactic hoedown which is kind of cathartic and stuff, and I had to stop watching it for a while and wondered what kind of difference a few minutes of remaining movie would make... And then when I watched the rest the pretty straight forward (if downer) end takes a nosedive into personal awful when the kind of good-guy cop gives up being kind of good and turns into a monster. At least it ends with the bisexual lover of the antagonist getting away prosperous. But yeah, it was not a movie that left me cheerful.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I think it his (the good cop's)final abusiveness towards the prostitute that did it for me.

From: [identity profile] voidmonster.livejournal.com


Yeah, it was just ugly.

I ended up feeling like Willem Dafoe's character was actually the protagonist, since the guys the story follows were the ones doing all the obvious bad. (Yanno, other than making loads of fake money).

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I almost want to see it again to possibly see if I feel that's the intention...but nah...too much of a bummer.

From: [identity profile] voidmonster.livejournal.com


The phrase [livejournal.com profile] kirizal came across that I've been appropriating left and right is "for those with a surfeit of will to live."

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Gypsy - Change in Emphasis


I think what changed a lot in Gypsy is that 50 years ago when it opened the strip numbers worked as strip numbers. It was a kind of girlie show - very much a guy show ("Best Damn Musical I've Seen In Years" was the famous Walter Kerr review). Now those numbers seem pretty tame and what comes through is the psychodrama of the ultimate stage mother and the two daughters she brought up in the seedier neighborhoods of vaudeville.

Rick Bowes

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When I used to watch Gypsy as a kid, I also had a bit of a problem with the young actress who played Baby June throughout the film, but interestingly enough, the film is actually somewhat true to life there -- the real Baby June (known in later life as June Havoc) actually did run away with a boy from the troupe at what may have been age 13 (or age 16; there seems to be some dispute about the year she was actually born).

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


Well, she looked 13 in the movie, about 16 in the current stage production...the problem in the movie is that she never looks different from the age she started at--Louise does...

From: [identity profile] barb-krasnoff.livejournal.com


Yes, I never understood why they didn't have a different actress play June in later years in the movie -- and it is weird when they're singing "If Mama Was Married." Saving money on another actress? A directorial decision gone wrong? Who knows.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


Exactly the problem-it as a (probably) expensive Hollywood production --surely they could afford one more actress...

From: [identity profile] graygirl.livejournal.com


Oh, Enchanted was great fun! Glad to hear you liked it. :) ~elise

From: [identity profile] norilana.livejournal.com


I loved Enchanted too! What a breath of fresh air and joyful fun! :-)

From: [identity profile] ravenelectrick.livejournal.com


Watching Enchanted should be a guilt-free experience. :-) I'm not a big fan of musicals, but I was blown away by the Central Park production number.

From: [identity profile] chronicpaint.livejournal.com


Have you ever seen the Bette Midler Gypsy? I'm kinda biased, being a Miss M fan (Hmm, gay man who's a fan of Bette. Who'da thunk, eh?) but I love that version. And there are different actresses playing June at the different ages ;)

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I assume you mean a stage production of it? Nope--when did she do it? I can certainly see her in the role.

On stage it's always different actresses playing June--and Louise at different ages. That's what's so weird about the movie.

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Midler played Mama Rose on TV. I forgot about that until reminded here. My memory of it after maybe fifteen years is that she was real good and certainly knew the territory. But it wasn't innovative after having seen Lansbury do the first Mama Rose as damaged human being interpretation. But Midler was fine. Better than some I've seen. An amazing number of woman musical comedy stars have done the part. I'm waiting for Harvey Fierstein's take on it.

Rick Bowes

From: [identity profile] chronicpaint.livejournal.com


It was a made for TV version back in 93

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107065/

It's available on DVD. She is great in the role, as is the rest of the cast. I highly recommend it

From: [identity profile] planetalyx.livejournal.com


I thought Enchanted was terrific too, though I wanted much much more of Susan Sarandon in it.

From: [identity profile] zhai.livejournal.com


I like very much that you liked Enchanted -- the harder boiled aggressive side of me is embarrassed to have enjoyed it so much. ;) It was a very funny crown on top of decades of too-sincere Disney classics. And both Amy Adams and James Marsden were utterly surreal in their real-life portrayal of Disney characters. I thought the ending was a little botched, and it was weird how many of the songs were nominated for the Academy Awards (must have been a dry year), but it's probably overall one of the most enjoyable movies I've seen in awhile. Will have to see if the giant tooth-gnashing prehistoric monsters in 10,000BC can change my mind this weekend.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


Even though I did enjoy the songs that does seem a bit much. But these days there are so few songs written specifically for movies that an original "musical" of any sort would have the advantage.
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