Last night I watched Heaven's Gate the 1980 Michael Cimino movie disaster that broke the bank and United Artists as a film production company. It's ambitious, engaging, and way too long. It runs to 3 1/2 hours and should have been 2 hour 45 minutes at the most. The bulk of the story takes place in 1890 (with an introductory Harvard graduation set in 1870 that should have been cut to five minutes, rather than the 25-30 minutes). Cattle barons are angry at the influx of immigrants coming to their country in Wyoming. Sam Waterston is EVIL. Kris Kristofferson is Sheriff (he was the Harvard grad) who is basically a fence sitter upholding "law" but not very engaged in anything or anyone. Christopher Walken plays a mercenary hired by the barons to punish the immigrant cattle thieves (who, with their families are trying to make a go of farming and are starving to death). Isabelle Huppert is madam of the local brothel and lover of both Kristofferson and Walken. Jeff Bridges plays a friend of the Sheriff who keeps a bar and entertainment emporium (I think that's what it is) and is on the side of the immigrants.
John Hurt is a totally extraneous character who was a friend of Kristofferson's at Harvard and is now semi-part of the cattle baron scene. A total drunk, he adds nothing to the plot whatsoever.
There is a good movie buried in the 3 1/2 hours--I don't recall this kind of attention paid to the western immigrant experience in old westerns. It always was cattlemen vs homesteaders, but it never showed the mix of immigrants who made up the homesteaders. There are wonderful scenes of this very mixed batch of desperate families communicating in their diverse languages with each other.
I also like the triangle of Huppert, Kristofferson, and Walken. Nice interactions among the three of them.

Then I watched Pride and Prejudice with Keira Knightly, Brenda Blethyn, an adorable Matthew Macfadyen as Mr. Darcy, and Donald Sutherland. It was a lovely version.

Now, on to working on my taxes and reading and editing.

From: [identity profile] grahamsleight.livejournal.com


Have you ever read Stephen Bach's Final Cut, his account of the making of Heaven's Gate? Amazing book.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


No--since this is the first time I've ever seen the movie--I wouldn't have picked the book up...what's the gist of it?

From: [identity profile] grahamsleight.livejournal.com


Bach was a senior executive at UA, initially observing the production of the movie from a distance, ultimately called in - when it became clear how far over budget and time Cimino was going - to rescue the picture and generate something releasable from the shoot. It's clear from his account that the final product could have been very much more rambling, and that Cimino's insistence on any number of things (for instance, the Harvard prologue, which was hugely expensive) was the root of the trouble. That said, he clearly had/has a huge amount of regard for Cimino's ability.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I figured that Harvard prologue cost a lot--and it was totally unnecessary.

From: [identity profile] sarcobatus.livejournal.com


Based on your review of "Heaven's Gate", I'll give it a try. I ignored the movie when it was first released in 1980, because critics trashed it. I have since learned to ignore critics.

"Pride and Prejudice" was delightful.

:) Jody

From: [identity profile] amysisson.livejournal.com


I had that version of Pride and Prejudice on last night as well. My oft-repeated movies rotate through Emma (Gwyneth Paltrow version), Sense and Sensibility (Emma Thompson version), and the afore-mentioned P&P. Oh, and Shakespeare in Love.

Oddly, I don't like to read Jane Austen.... But her novels make gorgeous movies, both visually and otherwise.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


Turns out that while watching P&P last night I thought that the plot seemed sooo familiar--had a recently seen another version? Your comment just made me realize that it was Sense and Sensibility with Emma and Kate that I just saw a few weeks ago...and much of their plot IS the same. I guess it shows that some writers really do only write one book over and over again ;-) I still loved it.

From: [identity profile] amysisson.livejournal.com


You might enjoy Bride and Prejudice, an unabashedly Bollywood version. It even keeps many of the names (Darcy, etc.), but in true Bollywood fashion, they break into song and dance every so often. And they go from five sisters to four, but other than that it stays pretty much the same.

From: [identity profile] ktempest.livejournal.com


omg Ellen we have disagreed on many things, but your praise of the newest version of P&P is the final straw! How can I ever respect someone who enjoyed that movie? I am having chest pains just thinking about it!!!

/silliness

;)

From: [identity profile] bev-vincent.livejournal.com


My daughter is studying Jane Austen at university and insisted we watch this version of Pride and Prejudice. It was delightful. Donald Sutherland looked like he was having the time of his life. The long, continuous shot during the dance was choreographed perfectly.

The same creative team is behind Atonement, which we haven't seen yet but must soon.

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com


I told my mother I just saw it and who was in it: apparently Brenda Blethyrn is also in both movies (along with Knightly)
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From: [personal profile] themadblonde

hmm...


can't agree w/ you about the recent P&P (though for once I had fewer complaints about the acting than the production), but nice to hear a more balanced review of Heaven's Gate. Sam Waterston AND Kris Krostofferson? That's MY kind of scenery. ;-)

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com

Re: hmm...


So tell why you didn't care for it? I've asked Tempest and so far no reply. So far it's two for and two against :-)
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From: [personal profile] themadblonde

first of all...


the costumer needs to be horsewhipped- either for cluelessness or spinelessness. The liberties taken with period style are disgraceful, unnecessary, & totally done to attract "modern" audiences. Crap.

& anybody, be it production designer or director, who thinks that the Bennets had PIGS walking through their home is BEYOND reasoning with. Mr. Bennet was a gentleman for frith's sake, not some impoverished farmer. The "gritty" take on them was entirely distracting & far from Austen's world.

Finally, the writer/s lost many of Austen's best lines, even some of the best scenes. Guess what, folks- she wrote it first, she wrote it best- STOP trying to better her- you CAN'T.

*sigh* I was LITERALLY biting my tongue to keep from yelling @ the screen when I saw it. Fortunately I knew better than to go see the recent "Austen" travesty- the movie purported to be based on her life. I don't mind a little departure from the facts, but TRY to keep true to the nature of the characters & the period! (Unless you're going for a complete turn-about, like "Without a Clue.")

From: [identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com

Re: first of all...


Not having a clue how people of that era dressed, it didn't bother me :-)
I did wonder about the pig in the house and wasn't really clear about their social position, since they had servants but apparently no dowry money.
And since I haven't read the book for at least 30 years (and have no desire to reread it)and feel that adaptations of books don't need to quote from them literally, I doubt that would have bothered me either.
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From: [personal profile] themadblonde

it's one thing...


if the script writers are improving or @ least distilling the work of the author. There's an adaptation of _Persuasion_ that credits Anne for saying a great deal of things she only thought, making her more proactive, stronger. But it's a brilliant production & absolutely takes the best of what Austen provided & polishes it 'til it shines.

But when a director/production takes a wonderful work of art & twists it enough to make it untrue to itself for no better reason than to make it "more interesting" to a "modern" audience, that's criminal to my mind. I'm not talking about Julie Tayworth setting Shakespeare in 21st century, but a costume designer so lazy &/or insecure that she thinks a woman of Lizzie's position should appear in man's clothing for no other reason than that it "looks cool" is a slap to a fine writer & a most interesting period. That's sloppiness, that's catering to the lowest common denominator & to me that's right up there w/ fart jokes & cum-hair cream.
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