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ellen_datlow ([personal profile] ellen_datlow) wrote2008-12-28 07:50 pm
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Doubt

Loved it. The acting was great with Meryl Street superb as ever, and Philip Seymour Hoffman and Amy Adams and Viola Davis also very fine.

I really wanted to see it as a play (it won the Pulitzer)with BrĂ­an F. O'Byrne and Cherry Jones but never got around to it.

Some Spoilers below:




It takes place in 1964 in Boston and there is a culture clash a-coming between the strict, by the book disciplinarian Principal of a Catholic middle school--Sister Aloysius and the more compassionate Father Flynn.

As Streep plays her, the woman is insufferable but believable and does (very) occasionally show signs of compassion--most notably toward an elderly nun who is going blind. But generally she is a monster--the kind of nun everyone I know who was schooled in Catholic schools seems to have been terrorized by.

She despises Father Flynn and seeks to rid the school of him any way she can. There is one negro student in the school and Father Flynn protects him from the bullies. The question is what is Flynn's motivation? Is he "preying" on the boy or not? Has he made advances toward the boy or not? There is a brilliant scene between the boy's mother and Sister Aloysius during which the stakes are made quite clear.

A young nun plays an innocent who tries to do what is right.

"Doubt" is the perfect title for the play/movie.

[identity profile] doortoriver.livejournal.com 2008-12-29 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
It really does look interesting!

[identity profile] chalkhorse.livejournal.com 2008-12-29 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I also thought it was wonderful; loved the cinematography, and how intimate it was, and all the unusual angles that made you slightly uncomfortable. It was like watching a play much of the time, and a chamber piece at that. I am not sure why a lot of other critics are on the fence with this one-it was one of my ten best of the year. Viola Davis is stunning.
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Wow...

[personal profile] themadblonde 2008-12-30 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
even those few sentences show what a different take my husband had on the movie. Funny how two people can come away w/ such divergent experiences of the same thing (as he & I often do).

Re: Wow...

[identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com 2008-12-30 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Did he see it without you? What was his take on the movie?
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Yes

[personal profile] themadblonde 2008-12-30 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
He's got a social group of Bears he sees movies w/ & I'm THRILLED that he's getting out more.

His take on it was that it was all about "did he or didn't he" w/ the movie being rather manipulative in giving out info to keep the tension working. He felt the racial tensions of the time were seriously downplayed, & the view of sexuality was a little too sophisticated for the period, but those are all issues to which we're pretty sensitive. I dunno, maybe it's my own perceptions of how you each described it that are really. In any case, he thought the performances were uniformly excellent, w/ serious kudos going to the "innocent" nun.

Re: Yes

[identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com 2008-12-30 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, the question of whether he "did it or not" is of course important--but the answer isn't as important (IMO) as the machinations of Sister Aloysius to get him out whether he's innocent or guilty.

I've heard that Amy Adams got some bad reviews for her performance (but I haven't read any of the reviews so don't know for sure).

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, it takes place in the Bronx just before Christmas in 1964 - though 40 and 45 years ago the Irish neighborhoods in the Bronx and Washington Heights were so much like Boston that when I visited them I'd keep thinking I could turn a corner and be back in Dorchester.

I agree that the Mother Superior's knowledge of sexuality seemed quite accute. It made me wonder what her marriage with her late husband had been like. But I thought the mother's understanding of her son and his situation was dead on.

Rick Bowes

[identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com 2008-12-31 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
Really? I thought it was Boston...do you know where in the Bronx it was supposed to take place? Because I lived there until about 1957 and my mother taught elementary school there through the 60s.

Well, as you point out, she HAD been married so no surprise there.

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
Most people married or not really didn't understand pederasty back then. She seems to recognize it with very few cues.

I believe the neighborhood was supposed to be Fordham Road, though the streets look a bit like Washington Heights.

Rick

[identity profile] ellen-datlow.livejournal.com 2008-12-31 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Well, actually, she seemed to be looking for it.

y mother took me shopping to Alexanders on Fordham Road probably around that time.